By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-13 10:25
Yes it's very nice but in all due respect that prices is insane. Obviously not really for sale.
By Vince P 3261 Date 2015-06-13 11:20
I think this same buggy was up for sale a while back in the Daytona area it was high then but not that high. 88 people watching yea their watching to see if it goes for that much.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-13 13:45
heres what it comes down to.
The barrian chassis and power can be done for 10k or less. So what the seller is saying is his Manx body is worth 45k. That's simply insane.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-13 16:32
I would have to agree! since I really don't know a lot about the buggy world I was curious as to what was going on, obviously the price was just plain crazy to me so I contacted him to see if he really wanted to sell his buggy and apparently he doesn't! but I did learn that he has a website with some pretty interesting stuff on it. When I asked him was he really asking$55,000 this is how he responded, ( Hi, Apparently you are still in the Dune Buggy learning stage. This is a Meyers Manx 1. A Manx was the first Buggy and is the only name in Dune Buggies. Everything else is a copy, made by who knows who. 99.9% of the ones out there are not Manx's. If it doesn't say Meyers, it's not a Manx. Please read through my website and you will learn, and you will not find another Manx 1 for sale. Milo)
By Dave C 4367 Date 2015-06-13 16:47
I believe Jay Leno has the first one "LIL RED'' if I remember correctly. I watch his show awhile ago with Bruce on it driving it and telling the story about it.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-13 17:17
The guys a jerk and his "learning stage" comment is condescending at best.
Here's what he needs to remember. Bruce Meyers did not build that dune buggy Bruce built the body. The rest of it was built by "who knows who" so again he thinks just the body is worth 4-5 times what any other Manx body is worth.
He also seems to forget that he is dealing with a market the size of a zit. We buggy people know the Manx deal but the rest of the world doesn't care. A large portion of buggy owners dont care either.
By Dave C 4367 Date 2015-06-13 17:35
I agree with AMAC, before I got into buggy's I didn't know the difference and to tell the truth didn't care. A dune buggy was a dune buggy. As I have learned since, there are 100's od different kinds built by different companies and people. Bruce Meyers just so happened to match the body with a VW frame and the buggy world exploded. All true dune buggys to me are just converted VW's, with a shell, and customized to each owner's taste. Some peoples taste are for $2500 buggy's and others are $45k buggy's, It's only worth what one person is willing to pay for it, no more no less.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-13 17:37
You are correct, I saw on one of these threads where a guy bought a Manx body for $225 and the same guy was given another body one time for adjusting the carburetor's on a guys motor both were Manx body's, if this guy was to see that he would probably have a heart attack LOL
By Ron S 3875 Date 2015-06-14 13:03
Just when you think you seen one crazy thing another comes along and tops it.
Gooding Auctions sold one for NEAR $30K. It was rated 100% perfect but honestly some peoples limits for throwing away cash these days on cars is just confounding.
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-14 13:09
There is always a fish for every worm. Sometimes it takes a while to find them...sometimes you don't.
Its a fact that true manxs sell for a premium. What that premium is varies from time to time.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-14 13:18
Can that buggy still be viewed Ron? I would like to see it. And just so no one thinks I'm crazy, I'm definitely not interested in any kind of buggy at $55,000 dollars, my Grandfather use to say "a fool and his money is soon parted"!
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-14 14:59
The fact of the matter is that a few wild prices, both high and low, don't have a long term effect on value. That's a good thing. A stable market/value can't be established with wild swings.
All that Leeds to is peaks and crashes and that is not in the best interest of the Manx or its owners. Stable markets make for long term value.
By Brad H 1498 Date 2015-06-15 01:51
It was only $45K last week, he keeps bumping the price. Personally I think the guy is an attention whore and enjoys seeing threads like these.
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-15 03:02
Just read his last wacky post on The Samba about rear suspensions.
By Ron S 3875 Date 2015-06-15 16:31
I spotted on velocity channel, can not remember the show or episode.
I can so much more handle a numbers matching restored 15 window for $80K or a T34 in the 50s then a buggy in the 40s-50s, maybe exception is serial 1 or 2.
By Kellison Jim Date 2015-06-17 00:04
Donald R, here you go.
This guy almost makes the "Authentic Manx" on Counting Cars look like a good deal, almost.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-17 01:59 Edited 2015-06-17 02:02
Yeah I know! what about this one guys let me know ASAP! and its not $55,000!
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-17 02:33
Nice start for a buggy. Don't get caught up in the Manx hysteria if its your first buy. You are paying a HUGE premium for a name.
To be honest...if this is your first buggy...something like this one is a better bet:
Great buggy, well built, big motor. Really turnkey.
The Manx you listed will likely have a reserve of $8k and will need some work.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-17 02:44
Thanks Jeffery, I certainly don't have to have a Manx, in fact I'm already tired of hearing Manx this and that but I do like that style I don't care if its a Manx or not, I've seen these deserters before and this one is very nice looking you have me thinking, but I really want something with the other type body style.
By Dave C 4367 Date 2015-06-17 02:53
I liked that buggy the first time I saw it listed. Surprised it hasn't been sold with that price.
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-17 13:40
If you (or anyone) wants a Manx than take a look at this one:
Mike Rags builds UNBELIEVABLE cars. I have seen his work. Its second to none.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-17 14:22 Edited 2015-06-17 15:12
Ok so here's my point.
That buggy is a beautiful example of what the Manx is. Not only is the build executed to a very high standard but thought was given to the Dune Buggy part. Finished simple but elegant in its own way.
I know that as kits there's a lot of differnt ideas but I think this one holds true to the mission.
I know some will say that it's under priced and it may be but not by almost 40 grand.
thats a well done dune buggy for sure !
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-17 15:10
Thanks again for the info Jeffery, I really like this buggy! can someone explain (in simple terms) the difference between Early Meyers Manx, Meyers Manx 2, and a Meyers Manx Signature Series?
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-17 15:28 Edited 2015-06-17 15:32
Early Manx is simply the first series of Manxs produced by Bruce Meyers.
Manx 2s were slightly different with a flat rear floor section which allowed the use of an IRS without body mods.
Signature Series (I believe) were a limited run made in the early 2000s.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-17 16:17
Thanks Jeffery, so the early model Manx or Manx 1 has to have body mods to use a IRS? you would have a picture of the two differences would you?
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-17 16:31
The early model Manxs have two wells in the rear seating area. One is for a "spare tire" and the other is for the battery.
In the Manx 2 this section is flat across.
For an early model Manx you either have to give it a body lift (off the chassis) or cut into these two rear tubs and re-glass.
By Kellison Jim Date 2015-06-18 15:30
I see where he's lowered the price by 20 grand.
By Vince P 3261 Date 2015-06-18 17:19
Did yall see the utube videos of him talking and explaining things like the seat belts "he has the retracting ones" geez I didn't know buggys came with retracting seat belts who knew.
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-18 17:54
3 different types of gauges.
Don't et me wrong...he did a nice job getting the wipers to work, the tilt wheel incorporated, and a nice job with the front lights. It might be close to a $20k manx. Might be close....
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-18 18:25
I don't see how his buggy could be worth more than Mike Ragonse's and he's not asking $20,000 What do you think!
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-18 18:54
And of course Mike's buggy is sale pending.
The other buggy has better instrumentation and a nice tilt wheel so that adds something. Maybe some nice wheels as well.
I think Mike likely slightly underpriced his work...especially since its sale pending after a couple of days.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-18 19:26
I guess your right I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to know, I'm just going off of my general car knowledge, after inquiring around and picking some brains of people who do know about Mike's buggy there are some concerns over the tranny and of Corse he just has a 1600 SP engine, but the thing that had me most concerned is his use of a lot of bondo in his resto, any comments? but all that being said I really like that little buggy if it wasn't 11 hours away I just might have been the sale that's pending!
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-18 20:01 Edited 2015-06-18 20:06
What concerns over the tranny? Looks like a well built swing axle...the only tranny that will fit a Manx body correctly. What are your people saying about it?
1600sp motor with dual carbs...that's a fun, torque motor. LOTS of people like that motor. No..its not a monster motor. Its more of a period correct motor which is what Mike was going for.
Lots of bondo? I looked through his pictures and didn't see that. Where did you? In fact I don't think I saw any bondo in those pictures.
I have seen Mike's work up close. His Deserter was an engineering masterpiece. It is considered the standard by many in the hobby. Google "mike ragonese deserter buggy" and have a towel ready for the drool.
11 hours would have been worth the drive.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-18 21:11
Whoa hold on I am definitely not knocking his work! as I said before I do not have enough VW knowledge to be knocking anybody's VW work let alone Mike's! I was simply stating that some knowledgeable people has pointed out that the transmission is a early tunnel type and not very strong, will most likely have a 4.37 ring and pinion unless it was changed. Not good for performance, but not every one is looking strictly for performance. The engine is also not a performance oriented case to start with, but is a very good driver in stock form. I personally prefer it. As far as the bondo did you go to Mikes onedrive folder? http://1drv.ms/1Fl9W8f ? it does have quite a bit of bondo in it! and it also has the metal headlight stands installed into the fiberglass, which I am told could cause some cracking due to different expansion rates of dissimilar materials ie...metal to fiberglass! I still think its veeeery nice!!
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-18 21:35 Edited 2015-06-19 01:07
Donnie, I never said you were knocking his work. No worries. But, if you knew Mike's work the questions you had would not be questions.
What is an "early tunnel type" transmission? I never heard the term before. Its a swing axle which is pre-1967 or so (later for Mexican Beetles) which is pretty bulletproof. Many people like them over the IRS. They are the only trannys that fit the early Manx. It doesn't appear to be one of the early crash box trannys. I would be interested in knowing what makes them not "as strong".
I am not sure what case he started (does it say and I missed it?) with but if its a later model with dual oil reliefs its a good base. Plus its not really in stock form with the exhaust, the lifter, the carb, and the ignition upgrades. That motor would kill a stock 1600dp on any day.
One question on the bondo....are you sure its bondo? My guess is that it is not. The metal upgrade is the headlight buckets is a common upgrade to prevent the cracking that you speak of. When done correctly it provides a superior repair to just glass alone.
I will bet you lunch (when you come this way one day!) that if you emailed Mike (very nice guy) and asked him if that's bondo you see he will tell you what it really is, why he uses it, and a bunch of scientific stuff about it.
Again...I know your not bashing the buggy but Mike is a builder above 99.9% of the builders in this hobby. He doesn't just "build" buggies...he fabricates and improves on them.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-18 23:23
Again, IMO, crap like tilt wheel and stalk wiper controls are trinkets and add very little.
The value is in the body first.
By Brad H 1498 Date 2015-06-18 23:51
One thing that stood out, and alarmingly so, on the $35K buggy was the fact that the retractable seatbelts are anchored to a mouse trap roll bar with no front to back support. In an accident all that will do is pull the hoop along with you as you headbutt the steering wheel.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-19 00:16
Thanks for your informed observations Jeffery, and everyone else for that matter, I am just trying to learn as I go and I didn't want you to mistakenly think I was trying to trash his work, to the contrary I liked almost everything I seen in that buggy, and you are probably right about my concern over what I thought was bondo I will probably ask Mike and see what it was he was using, I have his email as I have already talked to him a few times about this buggy!
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-19 01:07
Actually a tilt wheel in a buggy is a great feature for those 6 feet and over.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-06-19 13:10 Edited 2015-06-19 13:46
Tilt wheel may be nice but it would last about a week on my buggys. Rain, sand, mud.
Throw in beer, soda and other libations and all the cool stuff would meet a quick death.
I guess on a street buggy it would be cool. But still not worth his markup.
By Donald R 4421 Date 2015-06-19 14:15 Edited 2015-06-19 14:22
Ok guys first of all should I start a new discussion for the following? Let me know what you think about this (and I almost hate to use this name) Manx Signature Series buggy? is it priced a little high? what are the negatives and positives about this buggy on the samba site? asking $16000
Meyers Manx Signature Series Dune Buggy Limited
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-06-19 15:00 Edited 2015-06-19 15:02
Pros (in my opinion):
914 seats are a nice choice. They sit low and are relatively comfy.
Original metal flake
Nice wheel/tire combo
Classic steering wheel
Chrome tail lights
Nice side winder exhaust
Basic gauges...not really a fan but that's personal choice.
No ebrake boot
CHEAP blinker set up
Single carb motor
Can't tell how the floors are finished
Price is right on the border of being reasonable.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-07-05 23:19
and it's for sale again.
By Dave C 4367 Date 2015-07-06 00:24
He also has a separate listing for the side glass wind deflectors for sale $300 and something. I seen it last week. What a joke.
By Rick M 333 Date 2015-07-06 01:24
At least there is no reserve this time. It will tell what the market will bear for this car... unless he ends early for some reason.
By Dave C 4367 Date 2015-07-06 03:09
Of coarse he'll end it, or place a reserve.
By Jeffrey P 655 Date 2015-07-06 12:15
"This Meyers Manx 1 is professionally built and wired to today's safety and reliability standards"
Hmmm...the 3 point belts attached to a roll bar which has been called a "mousetrap" for its tendency to snap on top of the passengers in accidents. I doubt that is one of "today's safety" standards.
And it is still a VW engine. No matter how well built it is NOT up to todays reliability standards.
By AMAC1680 Date 2015-07-06 19:16
Lol this dude is prone to hyperbole.
I'm not sure what his deal is but we have all seen much nicer buggys.
Let's see if it sells or the watchers have all grown old of his listings.
By Kellison Jim Date 2015-07-13 22:18
I see the auction ended last night for this buggy and it had 69 bids with a final price of $19,588.00. I thought it was a great price for the SELLER, but no! He yanked it and would not complete the sale. The winning bidder has already left this idiot negative feedback. From winning bidder... "BUYER BEWARE: Wouldn't sell car after I won Auction."
Wasn't that you, AMAC, that said he would pull something funny? And he did!
By Rick M 333 Date 2015-07-13 22:27
And relisted again with a $35K BIN or "Best Offer". Fishing, that's all it is. Asshat needs to be banned from eBay.
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